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Post subject: Sudanese in Israel Hope They Have found a Home PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 7:00 pm Align post text to the left Align post text to the right
This saddens me so much.... Where is this Arab brotherly community we are so proud to brag about? Where is this compassion, us being civil, Muslims, where the hell is that? Huh yet we take the time to come up with elaborate schemes of the Jews & Americans trying to colonize Sudan and it's oil... while those same Jews we Love to despise are doing more than our 'Islamic' Government Will or Can do... what a shame
 
March 18, 2007

Sudanese in Israel Hope They Have Found a Home

MOSHAV HEREV LA’ET, Israel — It is a simple tin shed on the edge of a carrot field, but the young man from Darfur is relieved to call it home.

There is room enough for a pair of beds, a small refrigerator and a stove. Outside, a wooden table is propped under a tree. Here, he savors his meals, feels the sun on his face and fills his notebook with the details of his long journey to Israel.

It is a welcome change from the 13 months he spent in an Israeli prison, locked up for illegally entering the country — one of some 300 Sudanese arrivals whose illegal entry via Egypt and status as citizens from an enemy country landed them in prison.

The son and grandson of a line of ruling sheiks in his village, the 29-year-old prefers not to be identified by name. He fears for his family’s safety should it be discovered that he has ended up seeking refuge in Israel, a place he once knew only as an enemy.

In his journal, the young man recorded his first day out of jail as “Freedom Day.”

“It was a very important day in my life, a turning point,” he said. “I felt as if it was my first day in Israel. I never had really seen Israel before.”

After rounds of Supreme Court appeals, parliamentary hearings and a public push by human rights groups, some of the detained Sudanese are beginning to be released to collective farms known as kibbutzim and moshavim, while their official refugee status can be determined and a country of asylum found. About 190 remain in custody.

Roughly 200 of the Sudanese in Israel are Muslim, including about 100 who fled the bloodshed in Darfur. Others include Christians who say they are fleeing persecution from southern Sudan and those simply looking for work.

In Egypt, their prior haven, they struggled with poverty and dismissiveness — and sometimes outright hostility — from the authorities. Some of them had been part of a Sudanese encampment in a Cairo park in December 2005, meant to try to pressure officials in the nearby United Nations office to relocate them. When they refused to follow the orders of Egyptian authorities to disperse, they were blasted with water cannons and dragged away. Twenty-seven people were reportedly killed in the melee.

Some of the Sudanese in Egypt then began moving on. Israel attracted them simply because it is easy to get there from Egypt, but many say they would be content to stay if granted asylum. Most begin their trip by bus from Cairo to towns closer to the Israeli border. From there they cross the desert on foot, sometimes with hired Bedouin guides.

Once in Israel, they usually sit by the roadside waiting for an army patrol to pick them up. When they first started coming, they assumed they would be taken to local United Nations offices. After they began hearing that they would be jailed in Israel, they still came, so desperate were they to leave Egypt.

The young man now living in the tin shed said he had no choice but to leave Egypt after being followed and harassed by security police after he was ousted from the Cairo encampment in the 2005 raid that cost his wife her life. He found her name on a list of the dead, he said, after days of going from hospital to hospital searching for her.

The presence of refugees from the Darfur conflict, which the United States calls genocide, presents Israel with a particularly difficult problem.

Israel, founded in the shadow of the Holocaust, has felt a responsibility to harbor refugees — plucking Vietnamese boat people out of international waters, for example.

But now, government officials fear that if word spreads that Israel is a good place to settle, their country could be overwhelmed by large waves of refugees from Sudan and elsewhere in Africa. Mediterranean countries, particularly Spain and Malta, have been stunned by surging African migration, much of it illegal.

“Israel is endeavoring to be as humane as possible,” said Mark Regev, a Foreign Ministry spokesman. “Israel has a special understanding of the genocide in Darfur. We have a very real compassion for the refugees, and no one is being turned back.” But, he added, “Israel does not have the capability to deal with all of Africa’s refugees, so we have to be mindful.”

Mr. Regev said Israeli authorities were in discussion with Egypt about sending some Sudanese back there, and with other governments and international organizations about their possible repatriation.

Israeli human rights groups like the Committee for Advancement of Refugees from Darfur, which has led efforts to get the Sudanese out of jail, say officials are deliberately exaggerating the likelihood of drawing more refugees as an excuse for inaction.

Even after the government agreed to substitute their time in prison with placements on farms for a time, the release process is slow, advocates say.

Yosef Lapid, a former justice minister, noted the parallel with “the historical curiosity” of German Jews who escaped Hitler, landing in England only to be put in detention camps because they, like today’s Sudanese refugees in Israel, were considered enemy nationals.

“I don’t think that the Jewish people can look the other way when such a horrible genocide is being conducted. It is our obligation to be as of much help as we can,” said Mr. Lapid, a Holocaust survivor.

[A group of Sudanese recently were taken on a tour of the museum at Yad Vashem, Israel’s Holocaust memorial. They stood silently, some wiping away tears as they looked at photographs of corpses and cases displaying children’s dolls and a mother’s final postcard. “It was very hard to see this, really shocking,” said a 24-year-old man who fled Darfur last year. “It reminded me of my own people. I hope one day we can have a museum like this in Darfur.”]

Theo Kaminer, who is coordinating the kibbutz movement’s efforts to take in the Sudanese, said the farms felt a moral obligation.

“If not us, who will help them?” he said. “No one else is lifting a hand. These people are refugees from a Holocaust.”

The young man now living in the tin shed emerged from a low-security jail in central Israel last month, arm in arm with other Darfur refugees.

He and another of the released Sudanese, who also asked not to be named, now spend their days working the farm’s irrigation system in the eucalyptus- and cedar-lined fields.

The second refugee, 39, said he was relieved to be out of prison, but grateful that it had been so different from his time in Sudanese custody. Then, he said, he was beaten routinely. Now, he prays to be reunited with his family.

During a break from work, the young man sits at the table by the tin shed and thumbs through his notebooks.

In neat blue ink, he has written a timeline of his life and the names of his relatives and their birthdates.

The day Arab militiamen swept their village, shooting to kill and setting fires, he fled to the nearby hills on foot. He remembers dense smoke and screams. But he does not know the fate of his mother and eight siblings, including his twin sister.

When he crossed into Israel, after an all-night trek through the desert, his throat was parched and his hands bloodied. But he felt a need to record what happened.

“I had one pen in my pocket and started writing,” he said.

He says he wants a permanent home — be it in Israel or some other country that will accept him.

For now he awakes at dawn to pray and takes in the sunrise.

“I feel like my life was hidden in darkness and now there is a little bit of light,” he said. Then he climbed on a tractor and headed to work.


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Post subject: PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 7:06 am Align post text to the left Align post text to the right
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This saddens me so much.... Where is this Arab brotherly community we are so proud to brag about? Where is this compassion, us being civil, Muslims, where the hell is that? Huh yet we take the time to come up with elaborate schemes of the Jews & Americans trying to colonize Sudan and it's oil... while those same Jews we Love to despise are doing more than our 'Islamic' Government Will or Can do... what a shame


I came across this article a while back & said the same thing to myself:)

This is a side of Israel that people don't often witness.
The irony thereof is truly saddening.

Thankx for sharing.

Jinkess, I would love to read your input;)
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Post subject: PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 2:25 pm Align post text to the left Align post text to the right
Miss D, agreed..

Thnx Nubianq for sharing
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Post subject: PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 9:56 pm Align post text to the left Align post text to the right
wallahi its very saddening and very angrying,saddening because our people have reached this extent and have lot all their principles.and angrying in giving countries like israel to ruin our reputation more and more and also i`m sure they are getting dictated in saying false things to assure people that genocide is going on.

I dont believe the refugees that fled the darfur conflict to israel!!! they did go walking??? now come on, why didnt u just flee to khartoum or did they also get tortured there? and how did u get to egypt, surely legally and where did u get ur passport from ? surely from khartoum. I guess any dark sudanese is playing the darfur card to get an asylum status, fleeing from darfur to israel is impossible unless with the help of certain people or organisations, I`m sure most of them were in cairo even before the darfur conflict began.
The egyptian treated our people very badly took thier pride and dignity away, no one can deny that, but using this card or the darfur card for personal benefit is sickening and unacceptable and to whom do they ask?
the goverment told all the 300 refugees that they can come back to sudan , and they would not be harmed, all the 300 refugees didnt ask israel for asylum because war or political problems,its all self economical problems.

Tommorow i wouldnt be surprised if all the 300 converted to judaism!
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Post subject: PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 2:33 am Align post text to the left Align post text to the right
No principles were lost
What we have left of our 'reputation' is not being ruined by Israel rather by US and our laughable government.
These people were driven, killed, FORCED out of their homes by none other than El-Beshir & his crooks and Land Of Kush you ask why dont they go to Khartoum?
A governemnt that is meant to protect & respect you but only terrorizes & mocks you.. why would you subject yourself to going to the Capital of where that dispicable institution resides?
Even if it is not a genocide the Government has Failed in every aspect of what an authority should do/be. 
Ba3dain no one
NO ONE
has the right to judge on what actions these refugees took in order to survive...
Hell I'd walk the ends of the Earth to Get away from where i'm being persecuted....
I wont kid myself... All my Resepect for Arab nations has gone out the window because they are spineless peices of Corrupt Slime..
My only Bone with Israel is that it's government is overrun with Zionists that wish to wipe out the Palestenians and continue to Occupy their Lands.. but as a people,  they have compassion and however flawed their Government may be.... they took in a load of Refugees and offered them Hope
And What did our Government and Muslim States offer?
Bullsh*t
Finger Pointing
Resolutions with no meaning
Apathy
Scarred lands with bullet holes, dried blood, trampled homes...
 with Love from The government & Sleepwalking Peoples of Sudan

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Post subject: PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 5:33 am Align post text to the left Align post text to the right
Naj, extremely well-said!
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Post subject: PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 5:04 pm Align post text to the left Align post text to the right
You seem to look at the situation one sided, What of about the Rebels on the otherside? dont tell me its resistance , have u heard of " al nahb al musala7" is one of the reasons this war started?

Ba3den regarding the refugee thing, and not having a right to judge them , is something i disagree with and i`ll get back to this and the other things u said, when i get sometime ,and get back from work. Peace
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Post subject: PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 5:32 pm Align post text to the left Align post text to the right
Frankly I don't give a damn if it were a resistance or why this 'war' started...
Because thats what we've been doing for the past years... Searching for the 'why' but never the 'how' to bring an end to this conflict...
Lakin ya zool I won't get ahead of myself...

Let me Read what ya got ta say.... lets get this ball rolling Wink

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Post subject: PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 9:35 pm Align post text to the left Align post text to the right
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Where is this Arab brotherly community we are so proud to brag about?


the ummah is just a term we use rather than a reality, thats very true. People spend too much time reminiscing over past glories, a time when there was brotherliness.

Its very shameful that anyone had to travel that distance to get justice, travelling through another muslim country along the way.
We hear about africans trying to sail from africa to Europe daily and many of them drowning on route, all this to get to a society which they think will give them rights etc.

Regarding Israel, millions have been made refugees as a result of their presence, so to accept a few hundred africans....even though its good of them...isnt enough, maybe if we lived in Gaza we would have a different view point.

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he fled to the nearby hills on foot. He remembers dense smoke and screams. But he does not know the fate of his mother and eight siblings, including his twin sister.


why did the guy leave his family behind? i dont think i could do that, Wallahu A3lam.

Also Land of Kush had a point, a lot of refugees are escaping for economical reasons, in the UK they have had many people claiming to be from Darfur, but a lot of them were chadian, or from other parts of sudan, i even have met some.
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Post subject: PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 5:13 pm Align post text to the left Align post text to the right
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Where is this Arab brotherly community we are so proud to brag about?


We never had any pride in any arab brotherly community, as a fact arabs donot like us,they consider us as 3abeed and low class,When sudan came to join the arab league and dissed the commenwealth,many arab countries refused the entry of sudan into the arab league,as they didnot consider us as arabs,especially lebanon refused us, jamal abdelnasser threatened that his country would leave the arab league if sudan was denied entry.
In syria al fool al sudani is known as fool or fusdug 3abeed.During the 23 year civil war b/w the north and south ,the arab world gave direct aid and armour to the south,egypt and saudiarabia gave tremendous help,it was not until the arab world felt thretened in specific egypt,when there were chances of the north and south dividing,this was considered a national security threat to egypt,so they started moving and talking about the unity of sudan etc....

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Searching for the 'why' but never the 'how' to bring an end to this conflict...


to solve a problem you need to know why its started in the begining and seeing how to stop it, you want it to stop and we all want it to stop,but is it that easy?aslong as the rebels are never condemed seriuosly and threatened,they have no reason to stop the fighting,and if the goverment just stops as you say,u`ll find the rebels tommorow on top of the gasr al jamhury and ontop of our heads.I`m sure the goverment wants to stop the war today before tommorow,especially after the increasing pressure from the international community and its possible sanctions and because in the same time ,the huge economical boom which is happening to sudan lately(this is all for their own benefits to stop the war and stay in their chairs so they keep on stealing as u say.)
yes its the goverments fault,coz it let it go this far,yes its there fault for people dying and fleeing,yes it got of hand and the international community sees the solution is into bringing UN troops,we already have a good experience with the UN currently now staying sudan.i dont know what are 1800 UN landcruiser cars doing in khartoum ,instead of being in the south monitoring the peace deal there? all they are doing now in khartoum is having private parties,with alcohol and ethiopian strippers and i`ve seen tapes with my own eyes.now alcohol are sold by the UN they are bringing them illegaly and selling to the population,also driving drunk at night at hours.
regarding the refugees,for the political or economical asylum seekers,they also affect us,how? the need for visas for all countries of the world and the difficulty in getting them,the need of even transit visas for most of europe,the disrespect and humiliation we get in foreign airports because of our passports, any plane coming from sudan to europe has a passport check as soon as you put one leg out of the airplane door! why? coz they fear we tear up passports and deny or lie on which plane we came from or where we are from.So i have a right to ask if he really is a refugee or just lier to get an asylum status.
When there is a conflict or war,u flee into any direction just to get away from the conflict,but fleeing all the way to israel is a little to much to believe ,and also leaving ur family behind?
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Post subject: PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 5:15 pm Align post text to the left Align post text to the right
I wrote a more detailed subject, but when i submitted it ,it didnt go through,so i had to write it again but just briefly!
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Post subject: PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 4:04 pm Align post text to the left Align post text to the right
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Post subject: PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 8:13 pm Align post text to the left Align post text to the right
kaif ya Land of Kush... i'm coming i'm coming.. just let this week pass, i've got a hella lot of Papers due....

Fa al sabr ya basha Wink
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Post subject: PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 11:30 pm Align post text to the left Align post text to the right
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Post subject: PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 3:43 pm Align post text to the left Align post text to the right
Hello everyone

I can understand why everybody is taking it with disbelieve and upset to find out about such a fact, we all have been made to believe that Israel is an evil state who wants to destroy the Arabic countries and it is the arch enemy to our religion and Arabic identity but let us not forget what happened to these refugees of ours when the were in Egypt, they were beaten, killed and deported by the Egyptian Riot Police, what did you guys want them to do? Flee to another Arabic country where there is a great chance for such an occurrence to happen again or go back to Sudan to face the persecution of the NIF regime?

I don’t blame them for seeking basic things such as security, stability, education and job opportunities; things that they have not been able to find them in their own country!

There is another question I want to ask, how many presidents and prime ministers have come and gone in Israel while all the Arabic leaders are remaining in power?
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